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eLetters: The modern parable of the Good Samaritan

  • Rose · 10 months ago
    Mr. Stevenson,
    What water have you been drinking? Any wrongs done to homebuyers in the housing debacle was all self-imposed. They are not "victims." Rather they are people who like most asleep Americans are... living beyond their means. My son and daughter-in-law first of all didn't become husband and wife until they were told it would be easier to buy a house as a couple rather than partners. They knew their income wasn't that high even combined but they went ahead anyway. Of course they lost the house and probably will never own another house. Those lending institutions were pushed by Congress(a la Barney Frank) to include more minority, lower income, etc., etc., etc. They knew these people would default. They were warned as far back as 2005 by the Bush Administration but instead pronounced it a good and viable program. Those are the perpertrators... NOT the lending institutions. Go figure that people don't check things out for themselves but instead listen to 30 second sound bites on TV to get an understanding.
  • Robert · 10 months ago
    If you want to use your own money help other "ill-advised people" you think as "victims" , fine. You can claim to be a Good Samaritan if you use your own money. But if you take money from me and other people so you can help these "ill-advised people".....that's not being a Good Samaritan.
  • Loco · 10 months ago
    Your so-called "parable" has a two major flaws:

    1. The people you labled as victims are responsible for taking out the loans the could not repay. They were not forced to take these loans, they chose to. The responsibility lies with them.

    2. The Good Samaritan in the bible used his own resources, of his own free will. The responsibility was the Good Samaritan's, and he did not place any of the buden he chose to undertake onto others. The so-called "Good Samaritans" you describe are taking money from other people and using it against their will, placing the burden entirely on the shoulders of others.

    Because of these major flaws, your parable fails.
  • grandpaw · 10 months ago
    I really resent Robert taking money from me to build roads and bridges that don't help me.

    http://news.google.com/news?ned=us&hl=en&am... :

    "Earlier this month, John Pistole, deputy director of the FBI, told Congress that the "exponential rise in mortgage-fraud investigations" is straining the agency's white-collar-crime section, forcing the agency to consider reassigning some agents from terrorism cases.

    "The FBI received more than 66,000 reports from banks last year, compared with fewer than 7,000 in 2003. Those suspected-fraud reports capture a fraction of the problem. Only banks — not other types of lenders or real-estate professionals — are required to report suspicious activity."

    I don't think there is any doubt that the banks and other mortgage companies did a great deal of overselling and, in fact, did not really know what they were doing or getting themselves and their customers into. They oversold not only to their customers but also to themselves. Capitalism doesn't work very well when the capitalists act like used car salesmen.
  • Loco · 10 months ago
    Nevertheless, gramps, it is not difficult to look at the bottom line of the loan payback and determine whether it is within your means.

    In any case, roads and bridges are public facilities. They are not a transfer of wealth from those who earn to those who made poor decisions. Your descent into hyperbole undermines any other credibility you may have had to begin with.
  • grandpaw · 10 months ago
    I should have said "used car salesmen" because I meant the term in the same vein as those ads "Would you buy a used car from this man?". No doubt there are many reputable and honest used car salespeople and I apologize to them.
  • k2ken · 10 months ago
    This analogy is weak at best. The real victims here are the average people who have lost their jobs due to the weak economy. I've lost my job, and have no mortgage. Luckily, I owe no one, so at least I am in better shape than most, but it would be nice to work, make money, save, and build a future.
    There is plenty of blame to go around, but I point to people who used their homes like an ATM, refinanced and got caught-up in declining home values. The sub-prime mess would have been contained had not everyone believed that home prices were going to appreciate at 10% per year.
  • grandpaw · 10 months ago
    " Your descent into hyperbole undermines any other credibility you may have had to begin with. Comment by Loco — March 3, 2009 @ 4:42 pm"

    Loco, your descent into personal attack undermines any integrity you might have had to begin with.

    I presume that you think the bridge to nowhere was a good idea since it was to be a public facility.
  • grandpaw · 10 months ago
    If the so-called brightest minds in the business thought that these mortgages were a good idea, I can well understand that the average person, not schooled in high finance, would be mislead. It is a strange thing to me that when multi-billion dollar financial enterprises beat the bushes to persuade people to buy mortgages, and it turns out that the these financial institutions made grossly bad judgments that have caused a collapse of the world economy, some people zero in on the consumers who had the bad judgment to listen to the financial experts.
  • grandpaw · 10 months ago
    The "financial wizards" who initiated and perpetuated the mortgage crisis will walk away with multi-millions and the companies they put in the tank in order to make those multi-millions will walk away with billions. The former homeowners who relied on these wizards will walk away from their former homes. Seems a bit unfair.
  • Loco · 10 months ago
    Gramps, no personal attack was in my post. Only a mere statement of fact. Your irrelevent comment regarding a "bridge to nowhere" is once again another descent by you into hyperbole.

    It does not take "the brightest minds" to look at the bottom line of a loan and determine whether they can afford it. I do not know what drives your desire to completely eschew the personal responsibility a person has over their own decisions, and then make the jump that poor decisions somehow entitle a person to the wealth of others.
  • Rose · 10 months ago
    Why do you blame the lending institutions? The problem went back to Congress who was pushing these institutions to lend more and more money to highly risky people, people who didn't even have jobs, who were not credit-worthy. HELLO? And even when the Bush Administration back in 2005 warned Congress (a la Barney Frank) and the committee that was overseen they were reprimanded for scare tactics and the program was noted as being good and viable. But it never was because of Congress' wish to let EVERY American have access to the American Dream. How irresponsible of them to do that on OUR dime. This is what we are talking about here. Go research the facts for yourself.
  • grandpaw · 10 months ago
    loco: 'I do not know what drives your desire to completely eschew the personal responsibility a person has over their own decisions,"

    You mean the way you completely eschew the responsibility of lending institutions? I directed my comment at lending institutions and their responsibility. That in no way mean that I don't think the borrowers need to be responsible.

    As is reflected in the Community Reinvestment
    Act itself, the government neither authorized nor encouraged banks to make loans which violated their own loan policies. To try to claim that the financial institutions created the crisis just because of the government rather than because of the millions they were making by doing so is naive beyond belief.

    Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac did nothing to cause the financial institutions to make loans which have now caused so many of them to land in the basement. They did that as adults who were supposed to be, what is that word?, oh, yes, responsible. It was the financial institutions, and not the government, which decided what loans those institutions would make, or decline to make.

    I have no idea why you are so afraid to recognize the chief and critical role the financial institutions played in creating the mortgage loan crisis. It is really pitiful for anyone to claim that the poor, unsuspecting financial institutions were taken in by those mean people who were talked into buying a home. It's a little like "the devil made me do it". Actually, the devil involved here is colored greed. And it has worked. While the mortgagors lose their homes, the executives gain multi-millions for bringing this crisis down on the country. Seems a bit unfair.
  • Loco · 10 months ago
    Again, no one forced the borrowers to take out the loans. They knew the bottom line, they knew what they could afford, they made the choice to sign. The responsibility lies with them.

    They should not be rewarded for their poor choice with taxpayer money. I agree that neither should the lending institutions. They should have been allowed to fail, and the market work as intended. With the national government rewarding this type of behavior, it will only guarantee it to happen again.

    It will also give the national government further control and ownership of these institutions, which beyond the unconstitutionality of such ownership, the national government has absolutely zero credibility in running traditionally private enterprises. We are only digging a deeper hole with current actions.